Hello, The title generally explains the situation. At 22 I am a man, so to speak, but I still live with ours. Before you say 'find a job', 'go to a place to stay', I want to clarify that I have a job, I make OK money for my age, but the location of our home is very convenient. Our apartment is big enough and I don't see any sense in giving 30-40% of my salary to rent another one two steps from where I live at the moment. It seems like a crazy expense, and it will be quite strange to move out and continue to live so close. Rather, I wonder how so many other acquaintances of mine don't talk about it at all and don't seem to find it a problem, even though they are my age and live with theirs. Does this only bother me, that when I meet a cool girl and we go out a few times I can't invite her to us because there's nowhere ...? In general, in our culture it is relatively customary to live with parents until quite late, but I want to ask people who have gone through how they survived. Am I the only one who sees no other way to keep in touch and have sex than to go out? If anyone is left to read, I would like to ask one more thing. Let's say I'm dating a girl who has her own apartment that we can use. Is it normal to feel uncomfortable that we go to them all the time and I can't take her home? I have an obsessive feeling that as the man in the relationship, I should be the one with the private home. Call it a male ego if you want, but it makes me feel intrusive and stupid. I will be happy to hear opinions from both sexes on these issues,
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Most people who live with mom and dad do not have sex at all because they are travelers. In your case, I recommend you to move out, because without realizing it, you actually absorb from them and do not consider it necessary to develop some skills such as self-cleaning, cleaning, cooking, for example, etc. There is just someone to do them for you. But one day you will be good at developing these skills. You have not lived alone and you do not know what a gift of God it is. To know that you should not comply with anyone, not to feel anyone's presence when you do not want, to have sex with anyone and whenever you want, without worrying , comply, etc. This is priceless and cannot be compared to any money. As for your parents - if they are normal they would like you to be more independent and to cope alone as a man. Separately, think that maybe sometimes they want to be alone. Maybe they also want to feel freer after they have already raised them and can pay more attention to themselves and their relationships. Maybe they're just ashamed to tell you, not to offend you. And yes, it's not very right to just go to them and knock. It leaves the impression of a man who comes, fucks and leaves. And the woman almost becomes a prostitute with a plot. Don't do nonsense, but rent a normal apartment, it's not all money. Once you just taste the freedom to live on your own, then return to yours when you want. I guarantee you that you will not want to hear about the return, no matter how much it costs you. it's not very right to just go to them and fuck. It leaves the impression of a man who comes, fucks and leaves. And the woman almost becomes a prostitute with a plot. Don't do nonsense, but rent a normal apartment, it's not all money. Once you just taste the freedom to live on your own, then return to yours when you want. I guarantee you that you will not want to hear about the return, no matter how much it costs you. it's not very right to just go to them and fuck. It leaves the impression of a man who comes, fucks and leaves. And the woman almost becomes a prostitute with a plot. Don't do nonsense, but rent a normal apartment, it's not all money. Once you just taste the freedom to live on your own, then return to yours when you want. I guarantee you that you will not want to hear about the return, no matter how much it costs you.
If you have a car, look for a plot of land with a yard, a house in the surrounding villages or villa areas. Supposedly you are a lover of nature and ecological life so far. You can go on outings there with your girlfriend and ... you remember. You will have something of your own where you can maintain a garden, you will not give your money to the wind for rent, both your problem will be solved and you will keep your current advantages. Of course, the price and conditions must be reasonable.
to 2 isn't it a little humiliating to fuck your girlfriend only in fields and yards? I don't think this is very serious. Once or twice for the thrill, okay, but just like that?
Author, at your age I took my girlfriend home. We locked ourselves in my room and did whatever we wanted there. The bad thing was that the bed creaked, but I didn't care much. That's how I solved the problem in those years. As you say giving yourself 1/3 of your salary for a separate home is just crazy. You can take your girl to a hotel, you can send yours to the villa at the end of the week (if you have one). Lots of solutions, as long as you have someone to have sex with. Here the opinion prevails that all those living with their parents are moldy, which is not quite so. Well, I lived with mine until I was almost 30, and I'm definitely not a mold, I wasn't when I took my girls to us. No one complained, by the way.
There are hotels and hostels author have you not heard? This for now and the next few weeks, but it's time to think about separation. You may think it's a crazy expense, but it's very important to learn to support yourself and take care of yourself. By the way, the apartment costs not only rent, but also electricity, water, food in your own refrigerator, taking time to wash and iron yourself, to arrange your own cabinets and to wipe the dust of the whole apartment, to wash the bathroom yourself, to you cook soup, etc. Generally speaking, you can learn to live on your own so that you can also save. We all know it's not easy, but everyone who has grown up to the title of man / woman has done it. While you are in your mother's house as a child, precisely because your mother does many of the listed activities.
do 4 has the guts to say you're a mold.
Not only do you not realize that at this age it is not right to live with yours, but also a court of self-confidence how you will go to them. And the wolf is full and lacking completely. It is not the problem, the greed and the size of the home, the problem is the common cohabitation and that yours take care of you. Shopping, it's like you're not going to be well.
Up to 3: The fields and yards are only for the garden and eco-agriculture, if he wants to deal with it. The main thing is the house. What's so weird about spending the weekend at your country house, or even taking a trip there after working with the car?
8, brother, he is 22 and still lives with theirs, you tell him to maintain houses, yards and gardens. Are you talking about a sling war? He probably hasn't washed his clothes yet, he'll make a house. You serious? And even if he's in a house in the middle of the fields, he's still a little frivolous about his girlfriend, instead of just renting a normal apartment. This is nonsense and frivolous things.
9, we are obviously a different type of people. Your thinking is like that, I give him an idea, and he decides. I have always dreamed of having a house with a big yard. I live abroad and give 1/3 of my salary for rent, given that here the taxes are very high. In BG my parents have an empty apartment that I hate and a neglected house on the spot without any infrastructure, which I like much more. Next year I take a vacation without my wife, buy a generator and a battery and go there to stay in the middle of the forest!
In my opinion, whatever we talk about here, the export most often happens "naturally" when a person finds a serious partner.
11, the moment is beginning to feel ripe. Living with theirs is obviously starting to cause him some inconvenience.
In chemical toilets.
Don't listen to them, everyone here has succeeded, everyone lives the best and gives reason to others. From the 8th grade I separated with 2 more friends and we studied in a bigger city. After school we lived for another 2 years in the 3rd apartment, then everyone separated. I am already 29, I have been independent for many years and what did I gain? My peers did not push themselves to become men in quarters, they lived in peace and spent for themselves. Not like me ... in the beginning I gave half of my income to a Plovdiv resident who sleeps all day (the owner of the apartment). It was only now that they began to separate one by one, but, unlike me, with good savings, a more decent car, not to mention the nerves of moving and changing rooms. Also, having home comfort is much easier to learn. I don't know how to study in a dormitory with two other boys, which only coupons are in their head. When everyone has to get used to everything, the fact that it is better to separate earlier is complete nonsense, I do not understand why a person should get into trouble at a young age, just as I did. I always fondly remember the quiet days during the holidays and vacations I spent in my hometown. So the coin always has 2 sides. It already depends a lot on what the parents are, whether you understand each other or not ...
It doesn't matter where or with whom you live, how much money you make, what kind of car you have, how big your tool is and so on ... The only important things are to be beautiful and decent. Nothing else matters. F, 22
I'm sorry, but you didn't try to put yourself in the author's shoes at all, and neither of you shared how the separation happened to him, and you started cursing that the boy was a mold. As a boy of 21, I understand him very well, at least we are not the only ones living with their parents at this age, we are just forced - you can not ignore the fact that it is foolish to pay rent provided you have a home. Moreover, some of the cheapest rents in Plovdiv are BGN 350 each, for young people without experience and higher education this is half a salary (at best) without exaggeration. I don't know which planet you fall from, but the situation among young people is the same. I speak from the position of a young person who studies part-time so that he can work, and for full-time students, who have no other income than the money from the parents I do not think, I do not think about your comments in these cases. For the accusations that he had to clean, cook, dust, wash - where are you so sure he doesn't do it ?! And once he has released the topic, it is understood that the boy wants independence (like most people our age), but circumstances and finances do not allow it, I say this in connection with the accusations that he is a mold because he does not live alone. You overdosed on criticism instead of trying to help or share your personal experience. Otherwise, author, as a piece of advice, I would give you, when you find a serious girlfriend, to move out, because you will be able to share the rent, and even then it is somehow more natural and it seems more normal to separate. To go out alone, to be able to fuck every night with different seems to me a whore. The other option is to take out a loan and with the help of yours to buy an apartment. And if your dawn is just to fuck from time to time with someone / some, your option is hotels or hostels.
Author, don't take it as "hate" or anything like that, but you want both the wolf to be full and the lamb to be whole. It just can't happen. It may seem stupid to set aside 1/3 of your rent, but it's better that way than living with yours. Time flies, at some point you will feel 30-35 for example, still living with mom and dad, and then you will wonder what to do. If you want to become a serious man, firmly on the ground, then find a place to live, if you are not given a lot of money for rent, it should be with roommates. When you find a serious girlfriend, you can separate the two. The sooner you do it, the better. I moved out at the age of 19. I am currently 27 years old. and I go home to my father's house once a year. You will learn to cook for yourself, to walk, to wash, to distribute your finances, to fix various things in the apartment, you will have personal freedom, if you want you can call 5 babes without anyone bothering you. Think about it. Living with yours, what a valuable woman would say to herself, "Hey, this man is serious and stable." If you don't shake off mom and dad, then what kind of family will you create. One of my cousins lived with them until she was 35. My uncle once told me the following story. -In the morning I go to the toilet to pee, I see some squirrel coming out of my daughter's room, I call him who you were, but I'm her friend ... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. My uncle got bored and bought her an apartment so she wouldn't parasitize in his house anymore. what a valuable woman would say to herself "this man is serious and stable". If you don't shake off mom and dad, then what kind of family will you create. One of my cousins lived with them until she was 35. My uncle once told me the following story. -In the morning I go to the toilet to pee, I see some squirrel coming out of my daughter's room, I call him who you were, but I'm her friend ... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. My uncle got bored and bought her an apartment so she wouldn't parasitize in his house anymore. what a valuable woman would say to herself "this man is serious and stable". If you don't shake off mom and dad, then what kind of family will you create. One of my cousins lived with them until she was 35. My uncle once told me the following story. -In the morning I go to the toilet to pee, I see some squirrel coming out of my daughter's room, I call him who you were, but I'm her friend ... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. My uncle got bored and bought her an apartment so she wouldn't parasitize in his house anymore. I call him who you are, but I'm her friend ... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. My uncle got bored and bought her an apartment so she wouldn't parasitize in his house anymore. I call him who you are, but I'm her friend ... I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. My uncle got bored and bought her an apartment so she wouldn't parasitize in his house anymore.
It is with such thinking that you cannot become a man. It is unnecessary to give money for rent, as mom and dad can accommodate you, it is unnecessary to wash your clothes, as mom will throw them in the washing machine, it is unnecessary to learn to cook, as mom has prepared ... So it will never be to learn to allocate neither resources nor time properly, you will not understand what it is like to be independent, nor what it means to rely only on yourself. You will not appreciate someone else's work, because you will not have to do it and you will not understand what it is when there is no one else to do it. That's why women run away from men who live with them for years. It is a way of thinking and lack of practical experience that is detrimental in a mature relationship.
You need to think about buying an apartment. How come they didn't think they had a son, they have to help you. If they don't have money for the whole, at least it should be paid. For now it is not a problem, but in another 3-4 years it will happen. The girls watch men with housing.
You say that where you live is big enough, what prevents your parents from having sex? I'm sorry, but you're a little congested. They may even think you're the other way around by not taking girls home. If I had a son, and he is already 17-22 and does not lead girls I would think he is gay but does not dare to tell me. In my opinion, you worry unnecessarily. Helga
Do not be enslaved to human opinion. If things are that way for you at the moment, you don't have to move out. You are 22 after all, not 30. There will come a time when you will want it yourself. And why not go straight to a girl's apartment when things get more serious? Personally (given the reasons you give), it would not make a bad impression on me that you are still living with your parents. It's one thing to be completely on their backs, it's another to support the family budget and not wait for it. If you go out with me and live on your own, I wouldn't have a problem coming home, nor would I let you feel uncomfortable about it. Another issue is that I don't find it embarrassing to take your girlfriend home, even if yours are there. And they are people, and they have been through this. Girl, 22
If you think it's stupid NOT to live with your mother, then it's not time for a girlfriend. With these considerations, you are still a boy, a mother's child. If you want to be perceived as a man, become a man. Even if your salary is small, you can still separate - either in a smaller apartment or with a roommate. If there's a will, there's a way. BTV, I, as a woman, tell you that I would not be inclined to be with someone like you and go to his mother's house. Nor would I adopt you to come to us all the time. For gardens and hotels to take me every time, no chance - it's like I'm a prostitute. And I guarantee you that most women think like me. Sitting with your mom limits your chances of being a girlfriend to girls who don't have better options. Sorry, I know the truth is unpleasant.
Well, I'm a woman who's separated and lives alone. Only I know how I managed somehow, when my salary covered only the rent ... But it's good to be independent and it's worth it, as they tell you above. And women will notice that, believe me. Success!
Let me give you an idea that seems obvious to me, but no one else has given it. You find two more friends and the 3rd one rents an apartment (actually one room is enough), furnishes it with a bed and 3 closets, in which everyone keeps his sheets, makes a common calendar in gmail and knocks at will. If your girlfriend has an apartment - it's not bad to use it - the apartment will not wear out and there is no point in feeling awkward.
As a bachelor and living with my parents, I also didn't have a place for sex…. but I solved my problem by buying a car, true - second hand, a carriage but mine and we fucked in the car with the boyfriends, sheltered corners as much as you want, you will just get to know the surroundings of the neighborhood or city. Such people are called Kursk fuckers - supposedly they fuck a cow, but you don't care at all. You have your own terrain at any time of the day.
Hello people, it is the Author. First of all, thank you to everyone who expressed an opinion on the subject. I'm glad there are so many comments in both directions - it shows me that I'm not crazy, that I don't see an easy solution. Speaking of solutions, number 24, I really hadn't thought of such a scheme. I do not believe that I will do such a thing, but the idea is definitely very innovative. Many of the comments talk about washing, cooking, cleaning. I understand what you mean - it's important to be able to see yourself, but nowhere in the topic have I mentioned that I don't do these things. On the contrary, every day I do housework on an equal footing with ours, but I will not go into details, because the topic is not about that. I live with them because of the location and to save more money, not because I need to be pampered. Regarding those who say that I have to move out right away, I'm glad you're spending with such courage. Maybe I'm too focused on savings, and you're right that before I know for sure I'll be 30, but renting remains a big expense, and I want to live alone, without roommates, when I move out. You're right, and I feel the time is coming. Maybe I should change jobs in another neighborhood just to make money, or to think more seriously about buying an apartment. However, it is also an investment. Several people say they take their boyfriends to theirs. And I translated it until a time ago, when I really had no other choice, but I am no longer comfortable; at 22 I'm not 18. Number 2 skates me with these cars and gardens. I have tried, by the way, but it is clear that it is not a permanent solution. Look for a hotel I have not tried, for a few times it may be good. Number 20, 21 and 22, I couldn't even dream of different women's opinions on the last part of the question. I'm glad that some girls show understanding, especially considering that I work too and de facto ours can't support me, but I wouldn't want to rely entirely on that. Helga, in this case my parents are not the problem - they will not stop me. Rather, I am already uncomfortable and want to be able to provide more comfort. I seem to have managed to cover all points of view. Special thanks also to numbers 1,9,14,16, and 17 for their time and comprehensive answers. Rather, I am already uncomfortable and want to be able to provide more comfort. I seem to have managed to cover all points of view. Special thanks to numbers 1,9,14,16, and 17 for their time and comprehensive answers. Rather, I am already uncomfortable and want to be able to provide more comfort. I seem to have managed to cover all points of view. Special thanks also to numbers 1,9,14,16, and 17 for their time and comprehensive answers.
You are a smart boy, you are open to different opinions, unlike most who write in the hope of confirming their opinion and are angry at the different ones. 22 is a normal age, at which it is normal to still be with yours, but from now on you feel that life with yours is starting to create problems. If your relationship becomes serious, it will be even more necessary to be independent. Come on, you can temporarily drive to hotels and the like, but it's not very respectful for a girl to take her to hotels like a prostitute. If it's so expensive for you, at least watch as it becomes more serious for both of you to work and move out, then with two workers it won't weigh you financially, and again I tell you that some things have no price - from personal experience. from number 1.
Author, it's good that you do the housework yourself and make money, but I don't think you realize where the problem is. No matter what you do or don't do, you always have someone to cover for you. Failed to cook? You will not starve or spend extra money because there is someone to cover you. Isn't it time for you to wash and clean? No problem, there is immediately someone to come to your aid. You are sick? You don't have to wonder what you will eat and how you will cope, because you do not have the strength to get out of bed. All the work is done and there is someone to put wet towels on your forehead. There is no way you can do everything with yours, because some of the things overlap. Your mother will use your clothes to complement the washing machine and will clean the living room, which you also use, but she does. You hardly realize how much you have been saved now. And when you are alone, everything will depend on you, time will become scarce and you will have to plan your day and activities very well, for everything to be over, not to be totally tired, so that you have time for fun. It's the same with money. Now you save your rent and a significant amount, which is just for you. Even if you cover all the bills, you will still be a big plus. How will you learn to deal with a money deficit when you have to calculate each expense carefully to spend the month? How, when you have been saved a basic expense and there is always a place to save, because yours will cover you if something goes wrong? Even if you try to do everything yourself, firstly you subconsciously have the certainty that there is someone to take care of everything and secondly your parents will not allow you to take care of yourself when you get stuck. You look like a reasonable person for your age, but you have not yet developed the thinking of a mature man. This happens in the field, not in a practical, safe and convenient way. I hope you understand me and I hope that many of the writers here with such thinking will understand my words. The earlier you go through this stage, the more prepared you will be for the independent stage of your life and then for your family. Not to mention how much easier it will be for you with women.
The thesis that the only and sufficient criterion for the evaluation of a young man is whether he lives with his parents or not, is imposed quite aggressively by such as n.1 / 3/6 and the like, but this is not always true, and in some cases is downright stupid. Sometimes it is completely understandable or necessary when the parents are toxic or the young person has to look for education or realization in another city / country. In my case, that was not the case. I grew up in one of the big and good to live cities, where there were and still are opportunities for education and realization. Here I received my education and then found my realization. Ours have a large apartment in one of the best neighborhoods in our city, I always had my own room, and I got along with ours. Besides, from the age of 18-19 I did not allow them to confuse me with anything like e.g. what to study and what to work, as well as what friends to move with and what boyfriends to lead. Except in cases where I sought advice myself, in a word, a completely normal relationship. Also, apart from taking my boyfriends home, I went home drunk countless times in the wee hours or in the morning, and no one could force me to do anything (not that there were no such attempts, they are still parents and it is understandable). This cohabitation was not a mother's son type, I helped with the budget and the maintenance of the house. On my initiative, we made a major overhaul, where I did the moving and part of the master work - demolition, removal of garbage and old furniture, making screeds, insulation and more. Then I was 22, as much as the author of the topic. Let's look at the other side - what is it like for a young man aged 20-22 to move out of the house. At this age he usually still studies, if he works he is far from achieving good professional skills and accordingly the salary is low (I exclude the IT sector, things are different there, and in my time they were not like that at all). This means that he has to live in a miserable basement or attic apartment, live with a few strangers, be miserable and barely pay his bills and food, and regularly be late and ask mom and dad for money to spend the month. . Which is super self, right? So it was with almost all my friends and acquaintances who remained in our city. Almost all of them lived with their parents until they were 25-30 and moved out when they found their spouses and now have normal families. Interesting according to the above capacities, if I'm a mold, Given the facts I mentioned, then those men we read to them regularly - how do they have an income, how do they live alone and have a car, but are they either virgins or have to pay to have sex, then maybe they are dudes? Really interesting logic. from n.4
Independence is priceless. I personally will not go to a man, at the risk of his mother meeting me in my pants in the hallway, in the bathroom, in the kitchen, unnecessary questions, unnecessary explanations ... Come on, please, grow up.
From 22: Well, it is normal to have conflicting opinions. After all, this is an online forum and all kinds of people write here. But somehow it can become clear to you who is what in your reasoning. When you see how they give you intelligence for gardens and meadows or to rent a sex apartment with some people and take turns to take girls there ... don't you realize that these people are either trolling you or some kind of dreamers? I've been browsing this site for 2-3 days and I feel like half of them are crazy honestly. As for the women's opinions that it didn't matter that she lived with her mother, something else was important ... Hahaha. Only hahaha I can say nothing more. I am writing you a second comment with only one purpose - to make you at least think. You are a young man. Now is the time to take these steps and move out (and even be with a roommate, what's wrong? It's better than mom). To think about education, better work. All such things. And of course it will not be easy! But that doesn't mean you have to stay comfortable in your mom's comfort zone and not develop. It is high time to leave the nest. It is necessary to say evil, so to speak. And not only because of the girls, but also because of you as an individual, independent, etc. It will change you a lot to grow up. Taking care of yourself, equal to the household and budget allocation. To have freedom and space - for better or for worse. And you have a very short time to do that before you start entering the "mommy sons" column. Get away from that definition. Not only will women not want you, but you will be sorry. There is nothing funnier than a grown man who clings to his mother's skirts - no matter how handsome, kind, etc. But that doesn't mean you have to stay comfortable in your mom's comfort zone and not develop. It is high time to leave the nest. It is necessary to say evil, so to speak. And not only because of the girls, but also because of you as an individual, independent, etc. It will change you a lot to grow up. Taking care of yourself, equal to the household and budget allocation. To have freedom and space - for better or for worse. And you have a very short time to do that before you start entering the "mommy sons" column. Get away from that definition. Not only will women not want you, but you will be sorry. There is nothing funnier than a grown man who clings to his mother's skirts - no matter how handsome, kind, etc. But that doesn't mean you have to stay comfortable in your mom's comfort zone and not develop. It is high time to leave the nest. It is necessary to say evil, so to speak. And not only because of the girls, but also because of you as an individual, independent, etc. It will change you a lot to grow up. Taking care of yourself, equal to the household and budget allocation. To have freedom and space - for better or for worse. And you have a very short time to do that before you start entering the "mommy sons" column. Get away from that definition. Not only will women not want you, but you will be sorry. There is nothing funnier than a grown man who clings to his mother's skirts - no matter how handsome, kind, etc. It is high time to leave the nest. It is necessary to say evil, so to speak. And not only because of the girls, but also because of you as an individual, independent, etc. It will change you a lot to grow up. Taking care of yourself, equal to the household and budget allocation. To have freedom and space - for better or for worse. And you have a very short time to do that before you start entering the "mommy sons" column. Get away from that definition. Not only will women not want you, but you will be sorry. There is nothing funnier than a grown man who clings to his mother's skirts - no matter how handsome, kind, etc. It is high time to leave the nest. It is necessary to say evil, so to speak. And not only because of the girls, but also because of you as an individual, independent, etc. It will change you a lot to grow up. Taking care of yourself, equal to the household and budget allocation. To have freedom and space - for better or for worse. And you have a very short time to do that before you start entering the "mommy sons" column. Get away from that definition. Not only will women not want you, but you will be sorry. There is nothing funnier than a grown man who clings to his mother's skirts - no matter how handsome, kind, etc. equal to household and budget allocation. To have freedom and space - for better or for worse. And you have a very short time to do that before you start entering the "mommy sons" column. Get away from that definition. Not only will women not want you, but you will be sorry. There is nothing funnier than a grown man who clings to his mother's skirts - no matter how handsome, kind, etc. equal to household and budget allocation. To have freedom and space - for better or for worse. And you have a very short time to do that before you start entering the "mommy sons" column. Get away from that definition. Not only will women not want you, but you will be sorry. There is nothing funnier than a grown man who clings to his mother's skirts - no matter how handsome, kind, etc.
By 28 I solved a problem by finding a woman who took care of cleaning, washing and ironing. It costs me about 60-70 leva a week, but it's worth it
By 32, I mean, you chose to pay instead of growing up? It's not bad for me to pay a person not to do tedious tasks when he can afford it. But it's very bad never to go through that, because that's how it stays on a child's level of thinking. There is money today, there is no money tomorrow, but the character, discipline and skills learned when you had to do it yourself remain forever and will help you get out of any holes. Such men impress me. Those who rely on paying others to do everything for them have value only as long as they have a lot of money, then they end up. From 28
And I will write a second comment, to number 31. What you are writing is absolute nonsense and attempts to blame the boy. Let's go back to reality. If you were "independent" when you were 22 - it's because your parents helped you. At 22 you are still a student. If you are not a student - you are doing your first job. What independence, what 5 levs?
35, are you serious? What guilt do I blame the boy for? I'm trying to explain to him why it's important to move things in the direction of independence, is that bad? The man suffers that he did not have a place for sex. Here you advise him to continue living with theirs, as he could take women to gardens and hotels, or to his mother's house, because "the other is important" (whatever that means). Honestly, I have a feeling you're making fun of the man. I think only I and 1-2 others are writing serious opinions on this topic. Regarding your questions to me - a very small percentage of my colleagues at the university have lived with theirs - only a part of those who are from the same city and only the first years. Most have lived in dormitories and dormitories and yes - modestly, with other people, but this is normal in the beginning. As for those who spent their students with theirs - ok, if you don't have money, It is normal. But the moment a person gets a job and starts to have his own income (the author clarifies that he works), the first step of any self-respecting person is to move out of their house. This is the normal and healthy thing to do. And so it is all over the world, except in the Balkans, where half of you remain a mother's child for life. I think I said what I could on this topic. Author, there is no way to be a mother or a big man. And if not immediately, move things in the direction of independence - it will be good for you. The alternative is sad to say the least. where half of you stay mom's baby all your life. I think I said what I could on this topic. Author, you can't be a mom or a big man. And if not immediately, move things in the direction of independence - it will be good for you. The alternative is sad to say the least. where half of you remain a mother's child for life. I think I said what I could on this topic. Author, there is no way to be a mother or a big man. And if not immediately, move things in the direction of independence - it will be good for you. The alternative is sad to say the least.
"Today you have the money, tomorrow you don't have it, but the character, discipline and skills learned when you had to do it yourself stay forever and will help you get out of any holes." Tell everyone else who knows how to cope flawlessly with the usual tedious household chores, day after day, for decades, which are in the holes in question, from which I have pulled myself, more than once. And if a rag and cooking is all it takes to impress you, I would advise you to raise the bar.
Abe, you moldy people, at the age of 18 I was running for a living and living on my own, tighten it up by reading you how you think it was difficult to buy a kilo of cheese from the store. Poor people. You were men, it's a pity they didn't kill you in military action.
Well done at 28 and 30. Unfortunately, 28, no matter how nice and accurate you wrote it, they will not understand you. Paying for yourself is a waste of money.
36, yes - seriously. I guess you're like me and you studied in another city, so you separated from your family at 18. But that's not the case with him. And we weren't really independent then, because they helped us. If he will live with roommates - what is the difference with the option with sex accommodation? Or - with his current situation? Except that he will pay rent, well, :) The only justified option in my opinion if he lives with his girlfriend.
40, the difference is very simple. You can say to your roommate, "Brother, Maria is coming tonight, break up in a few hours." You can't have your mother. Your mother will clean, cook and wash. Your roommate won't do it. Your mother will always treat you like a child and where she will scold you, where she will take care of you. You are equal to your roommate. But the most important thing is to get used to making decisions, not to be a dondurkan, to assess time, budget, etc. and to survive alone. All the qualities that a man must possess, otherwise no man is. And these qualities are acquired only with real experience, on the spot. If he stays with his mother until he finds a girlfriend to move in with, he will subconsciously expect his girlfriend to take the same care of him as his mother, because he has not seen anything else.
By 33, I'm talking about doing it myself, you reduce things to rags and cleaning ... I'm sorry if you felt offended by my opinion. However, I urge you to read it again and both of you commented on it, as you obviously failed to understand what was written. If your opportunities are not limited to money, there is no reason to worry about my opinion.
30, absolutely true.
There is a big difference between living with yours and your roommates. At the very least, the latter are nobody to you and they can't hold you accountable for anything, nor can they criticize you and so on. You see, I have a craving for sex when I think about how I'm going to moan, and in the next room, Mommy has a glass on her ear. No thanks.
Come on, stop this hypocrisy. Here are the super singles from the age of 18, explain what your super standout consisted of? What accommodation did you live in the first years, what products did you have in your refrigerator (if you had one at all), how many people did you share the accommodation with, what jobs did you work with and how did you combine everything with learning and establishing yourself in a profession? And finally, how many times / often did you whine to your parents to co-finance all this super independence of yours? Again, when it is necessary for various reasons, it is understandable. However, when I have everything in us, I get along well with my parents and most of all I do not allow them to confuse me, then I do not understand why I have to cause all the above things, and instead of helping ours, to burden them further financially. So that I can later write on various sites, how super independent I was .... Whatever you want to say here and call me whatever you want, but those years - student and the first 2-3 years after them were for me the most the good in life, the party did not stop and at the same time I managed to lay a good foundation for my future life. All this is largely due to the fact that I stayed in my hometown and with my parents. Separately, as a man, I cannot accept a woman to set conditions for me how I lived, with whom and where, before I met her and before she was any to me at all ... It doesn't happen, at least not with me. from n.4 / 29 ps I have been married for 10 years and have not lived with my mother for a long time. however, those years - the student years and the first 2-3 years after them were the best in my life, the party did not stop and at the same time I managed to lay a good foundation for my future life. All this is largely due to the fact that I stayed in my hometown and with my parents. Separately, as a man, I cannot accept a woman to set conditions for me how I lived, with whom and where, before I met her and before she was any to me at all ... It doesn't happen, at least not with me. from n.4 / 29 ps I have been married for 10 years and have not lived with my mother for a long time. however, those years - the student years and the first 2-3 years after them were the best in my life, the party did not stop and at the same time I managed to lay a good foundation for my future life. All this is largely due to the fact that I stayed in my hometown and with my parents. Separately, as a man, I cannot accept a woman to set conditions for me how I lived, with whom and where, before I met her and before she was any to me at all ... It doesn't happen, at least not with me. from n.4 / 29 ps I have been married for 10 years and have not lived with my mother for a long time. with whom and where, before I met her and before she was any to me at all ... It doesn't happen, at least not with me. from n.4 / 29 ps I have been married for 10 years and have not lived with my mother for a long time. with whom and where, before I met her and before she was any to me at all ... It doesn't happen, at least not with me. from n.4 / 29 ps I have been married for 10 years and have not lived with my mother for a long time.
It's like your parents never had sex. If you imagine how a hundred generations once lived in one house, how did they cope ?! Author, find a girlfriend not only for one, but otherwise. Invite someone to your place, but not for the bed, but to spend time together. For example, drinking coffee, watching a movie, something. Tell yours this is who you are, my friend. They are hardly stupid to bother or intrude on you, and they are human and they have had sex. First try to invite someone neutral, without the other, enough to get used to the idea of having a girl of yours. When they get used to a girl, they will not be so impressed that they have a wife. They know what men and women are doing so they will know that there will be. Make them get used to someone first, get to know her. Do not carry different and for one purpose only. Let yours make an impression, that their son has a relationship, that you go out with someone and they see her. If the girl has a terrain, as it was said, it's not bad, but it's stupid to be alone. What kind of man would be someone who will only go to a woman and will never take her home out of shame and fear ?! What shame, from the girl, or that you do something that everyone does? Just grow up. Your grandparents lived in one place for three or four generations, and they didn't die of shame, they still had sex, and they even had children.
And the hotels are for prostitutes. It didn't make a good impression on me when you saw two young people coming to a hotel, as if they were hiding and leaving in hours. It's as if you take someone to a hotel, not at home, you see her as something transient, light. It also depends on how the girl thinks, but I would be offended. When you take her to a hotel, she knows that she is only there for one purpose, while you have another, you have your inner world. If a guy drags me to hotels, I'll wonder if he's ashamed of me, or ashamed of his home, not living in misery, or theirs are some bad people. Or that he is married and his wife is at home.
Number 29 carries water from nine wells, just so it doesn't come off Mom's skirt. Too bad for such men, because they never become such. I know more than one or two, there are old bachelors left. Why? No one is better than mom, you know ...
n. 48, don't answer my questions, on the other hand you say what I am without you even reading my comment n. 45 to the end. It is more unfortunate, however, how many women perceive their husband's relatives by default, and especially their mother, as enemies who must be removed by all possible means. This does not build relationships, but there is no point in arguing. I have written enough explanations in my previous comments, I would just add one more thing. When you were 17-18, where did you take your boyfriends or had you never heard of sex? I will say, if there is a desire and with whom, there are solutions. My friends had rented a sex apartment and took turns taking their boyfriends there. I took mine mainly when ours were at the villa, but it was no exception when they were with us. Then I moved out of the house when I had a serious girlfriend and we lived together separately. I don't understand what kind of skirts Mom is talking about in this case, but it doesn't seem to make sense. from 29/45
Abe, come on, big men and women, cry on your phone at the end of each week to send you money, and then fight in the chest that you are independent. I looked at such colleagues at the university ... What kind of cleaning do some people talk about? In most student dormitories it is a complete misery.
Emmy, I have a field, but I don't have ... sex. One can hardly have everything in this life.